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 YAMAHA ZUMA bugeye50, bws 
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Post YAMAHA ZUMA bugeye50, bws
So i rejoined Zf not to long ago and now i wanna do a 70 build go figure!! Looking to build a reliable daily driver....
So I'm doing some parts shopping online and have some questions?

http://scooterstorz.imgur.com/all/

looking at one of these 70 kits..

http://scootertuning.ca/en/cylinders/10 ... -70cc.html
http://scootertuning.ca/en/cylinders/10 ... -10mm.html

not sure which carb and other parts to buy, I'm gonna try and stay around 500-600$


Are any of these kits worth looking into?
http://scootertuning.ca/en/299-engine-package

If someone wants to help me put a package together that would be great!!

Cheerz, :cheers: Storz-

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2005 BWS (Blue Bandito)
- 70cc Athena bbk (Sport)
- stock carb,85Mj snorkel removed
- stock clutch
- ncy adjustable td.
- malossi white torque spring
- malossi yellow clutch springs
- michelin bopper tires
- dual headlight mod
- tun'R rear shock

1989 Zuma (Red Dragon)
- 70cc Hebo bbk
- Doppler air box stock carb


Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:21 am
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Post Re: Storz 2005 Bws Build
MY suggestion would be Athena, Yasuni R and a 19mm Dellorto.
You say you don't like loud pipes though.

Although, turbotype1 has a pipe that he likes because it's not loud. you can see it pictured here on his Ruckus with Zuma motor.
http://49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/1 ... ma-2t-swap (scroll down)

He also runs the same pipe on his Zuma I believe.

He is a member on here as well, and you can PM him to ask him what pipe it is. I forgot, or I'd tell you.


turbotype1:
memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=17822

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(Unfinished)2005 Zuma 50 W/ Aerox LC motor
Malossi MHR Big Bore 77 LC, Malossi RHQ crank, Roost 86 pipe, 28mm Keihin PWK Carb, Stage6 reverse intake manifold, Custom Subframe, Stage6 Vforce3 reed valve, Polini open air Filter, Malossi 2010 Over Range, Polini 2G clutch, Dr Pulley clutch bell, Malossi yellow contra. Aerox wheels. ProTaper bars. Buzzeti side stand. Many more upgrades to come...

2008 Zuma 50
2012 Zuma 50 (sold)
2006 Metropolitan selling/parting out!
2003 Derbi Red Bullet


Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:25 pm
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Post Re: Storz 2005 Bws Build
That pipe on the ruckus is a YMS V8 pipe...... Got it off EBay . It is a great all around pipe with LOTS of low end torque.... Not much louder than stock
My Zuma has a Yasuni C-16 now....

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Stage6 70cc Sport Pro MKII,Stage6 12mmHPC crank,Stage6 MKII intake, MKII 21mm Dellorto;95mj-45pj,Stock airbox; snorkel out(2) 3/4 holes,Adj-Inj pump;yellow cover,Stage6 Choke cable w/my own aluminum lever(plastic one broke before I even rode the scoot),YMS pipe ,Stock variator;4.0 rollers,Stock belt, NCY TD ; pins in 40 degree slots, Stage6 medium contra,Stage6 MKII 107mm clutch; orange springs adjusted-tight,all weights in each shoe,Stage6 R/T 433 Bell,15/50 up- gears , Aerox wheels and forks,Aerox front fender, Stage6 280mm front brake....


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Post Re: Storz 2005 Bws Build
cool thanks for letting me know about that turbo ill be looking into that :cheers:

Spaz any suggestions on variators ,clutch/springs, rollers i should get with that athena kit and dellorto carb?
i think I'm gonna place an order today or tomorrow

cheers, Storz

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2005 BWS (Blue Bandito)
- 70cc Athena bbk (Sport)
- stock carb,85Mj snorkel removed
- stock clutch
- ncy adjustable td.
- malossi white torque spring
- malossi yellow clutch springs
- michelin bopper tires
- dual headlight mod
- tun'R rear shock

1989 Zuma (Red Dragon)
- 70cc Hebo bbk
- Doppler air box stock carb


Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:34 am
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Post Re: Storz 2005 Bws Build
http://www.scootertronics.com/carb-upgr ... lorto.html

was thinking that carb with the athena and the yasuni r

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2005 BWS (Blue Bandito)
- 70cc Athena bbk (Sport)
- stock carb,85Mj snorkel removed
- stock clutch
- ncy adjustable td.
- malossi white torque spring
- malossi yellow clutch springs
- michelin bopper tires
- dual headlight mod
- tun'R rear shock

1989 Zuma (Red Dragon)
- 70cc Hebo bbk
- Doppler air box stock carb


Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:56 am
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Post Re: Storz 2005 Bws Build
Well, you can save a bit of money and run the stock carb for a while. Get a few main jets that are bigger. I got my jets for the stock carb through Zuma's R Us. I wouldn't recommend them for other parts though.

You have an 05 so at some point you'll need a new torque drive. The ones from an 08 work pretty good if you can find one, otherwise I'd say that you should just get a Malossi Over Range, which comes with everything. Scooterpartsco.com has the best price for the over range.

If you're keeping a stock pipe, then your roller weights will stay roughly the same, maybe just a bit heavier. I like Stage6 tuning weights myself.

Oh, and your 05 clutch and bell will need to be replaced at some point as well. The 05 clutch is a 105mm, 2 shoe and doesn't take to well to the added power. You'll want to upgrade to a 107mm clutch and bell.

If you go for a new carburetor, like the dellorto, you'll also need the single throttle cable. Drowsports carries the Motion Pro https://www.drowsports.com/zuma-50cc-th ... arburetor/ which I think is the best and easiest. You'll also need to get jets. I couldn't tell you which ones though because when I used the Dell carb I ran an open filter (not recommended) and used much bigger jetting than other people.

That's all I can think of for now.

EDIT: If you are getting the Yasuni R pipe, then you should get a carb. You'll also need lighter rollers (somewhere in the 4-5 gram range), stiffer clutch springs (yellow malossi) and maybe a yellow contra spring.

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(Unfinished)2005 Zuma 50 W/ Aerox LC motor
Malossi MHR Big Bore 77 LC, Malossi RHQ crank, Roost 86 pipe, 28mm Keihin PWK Carb, Stage6 reverse intake manifold, Custom Subframe, Stage6 Vforce3 reed valve, Polini open air Filter, Malossi 2010 Over Range, Polini 2G clutch, Dr Pulley clutch bell, Malossi yellow contra. Aerox wheels. ProTaper bars. Buzzeti side stand. Many more upgrades to come...

2008 Zuma 50
2012 Zuma 50 (sold)
2006 Metropolitan selling/parting out!
2003 Derbi Red Bullet


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Post Re: Storz 2005 Bws Build
ScooterStorz wrote:
http://www.scootertronics.com/carb-upgrade-19mm-dellorto.html

was thinking that carb with the athena and the yasuni r


Do not buy this carb unless you are using premix or have some other means of getting oil into the intake. That carb doesn't have the oil injection barb.

You don't want an open filter either because they're hard to tune, loud and don't make any more power. They're not worth the headache.
Keep your stock airbox.

Another thing about the dellorto carbs is that a lot of them come with 4 stroke atomizer. You need to email the seller that you are buying from and ask specifically if the carb comes with the 2 stroke AU atomizer. The # 40 throttle slide and W7 needle are also preferred.

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(Unfinished)2005 Zuma 50 W/ Aerox LC motor
Malossi MHR Big Bore 77 LC, Malossi RHQ crank, Roost 86 pipe, 28mm Keihin PWK Carb, Stage6 reverse intake manifold, Custom Subframe, Stage6 Vforce3 reed valve, Polini open air Filter, Malossi 2010 Over Range, Polini 2G clutch, Dr Pulley clutch bell, Malossi yellow contra. Aerox wheels. ProTaper bars. Buzzeti side stand. Many more upgrades to come...

2008 Zuma 50
2012 Zuma 50 (sold)
2006 Metropolitan selling/parting out!
2003 Derbi Red Bullet


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Post Re: Storz 2005 Bws Build
Hey,
Man you know you stuff!! So you think it would be a good start to order the athena 70 kit and a few bigger main jets and maybe a set of tuner roller weights?
Then maybe do another order later for the carb,exhaust,over range and clutch? or should i order a clutch with the 70 kit?


Cheers,

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2005 BWS (Blue Bandito)
- 70cc Athena bbk (Sport)
- stock carb,85Mj snorkel removed
- stock clutch
- ncy adjustable td.
- malossi white torque spring
- malossi yellow clutch springs
- michelin bopper tires
- dual headlight mod
- tun'R rear shock

1989 Zuma (Red Dragon)
- 70cc Hebo bbk
- Doppler air box stock carb


Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:49 pm
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Post Re: Storz 2005 Bws Build
I think that the clutch will hold out for a year if you don't get a pipe. The torque drive might give you problems. Take it apart, clean it and regrease it. Taking it apart will have the added benefit of looking at the grooves that the pins slide in, so you'll know right away what shape it's in. Post pictures if you're not sure.
So, to answer your question, yes I think you'll be okay to order just the Athena, a few jets and tuning rollers.

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(Unfinished)2005 Zuma 50 W/ Aerox LC motor
Malossi MHR Big Bore 77 LC, Malossi RHQ crank, Roost 86 pipe, 28mm Keihin PWK Carb, Stage6 reverse intake manifold, Custom Subframe, Stage6 Vforce3 reed valve, Polini open air Filter, Malossi 2010 Over Range, Polini 2G clutch, Dr Pulley clutch bell, Malossi yellow contra. Aerox wheels. ProTaper bars. Buzzeti side stand. Many more upgrades to come...

2008 Zuma 50
2012 Zuma 50 (sold)
2006 Metropolitan selling/parting out!
2003 Derbi Red Bullet


Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:57 pm
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Post Re: Storz 2005 Bws Build
Cool thanks a lot!! i just ordered everything :q: I'll defiantly post lots of pictures when i pull it apart!!

:cheers:

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2005 BWS (Blue Bandito)
- 70cc Athena bbk (Sport)
- stock carb,85Mj snorkel removed
- stock clutch
- ncy adjustable td.
- malossi white torque spring
- malossi yellow clutch springs
- michelin bopper tires
- dual headlight mod
- tun'R rear shock

1989 Zuma (Red Dragon)
- 70cc Hebo bbk
- Doppler air box stock carb


Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:23 pm
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Post Re: Storz 2005 Bws Build
yikes zumasrus shipping costs are crazy 23$ to ship a 19.99 jet kit :doh: any other suggestions ?

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2005 BWS (Blue Bandito)
- 70cc Athena bbk (Sport)
- stock carb,85Mj snorkel removed
- stock clutch
- ncy adjustable td.
- malossi white torque spring
- malossi yellow clutch springs
- michelin bopper tires
- dual headlight mod
- tun'R rear shock

1989 Zuma (Red Dragon)
- 70cc Hebo bbk
- Doppler air box stock carb


Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:31 pm
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Post Re: Storz 2005 Bws Build
ScooterStorz wrote:
yikes zumasrus shipping costs are crazy 23$ to ship a 19.99 jet kit :doh: any other suggestions ?



Call them on the phone tomorrow, because that makes zero sense.

And no, I'm not sure where else to get jets for the stock carbs.

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(Unfinished)2005 Zuma 50 W/ Aerox LC motor
Malossi MHR Big Bore 77 LC, Malossi RHQ crank, Roost 86 pipe, 28mm Keihin PWK Carb, Stage6 reverse intake manifold, Custom Subframe, Stage6 Vforce3 reed valve, Polini open air Filter, Malossi 2010 Over Range, Polini 2G clutch, Dr Pulley clutch bell, Malossi yellow contra. Aerox wheels. ProTaper bars. Buzzeti side stand. Many more upgrades to come...

2008 Zuma 50
2012 Zuma 50 (sold)
2006 Metropolitan selling/parting out!
2003 Derbi Red Bullet


Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:02 pm
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Post Re: Storz 2005 Bws Build
well i called them about the shipping costs and yeah its a standard flat rate to canada.... :doh: i can't really find anyone else selling jet kits for the stock carb... i guess I'm gonna bite the bullet and pay the $23 shipping on a 20$ part

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2005 BWS (Blue Bandito)
- 70cc Athena bbk (Sport)
- stock carb,85Mj snorkel removed
- stock clutch
- ncy adjustable td.
- malossi white torque spring
- malossi yellow clutch springs
- michelin bopper tires
- dual headlight mod
- tun'R rear shock

1989 Zuma (Red Dragon)
- 70cc Hebo bbk
- Doppler air box stock carb


Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:47 pm
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Post Re: Storz 2005 Bws Build
ok everything is ordered now ill i can do is wait :q:
thanks for the help spaz! :cheers:

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2005 BWS (Blue Bandito)
- 70cc Athena bbk (Sport)
- stock carb,85Mj snorkel removed
- stock clutch
- ncy adjustable td.
- malossi white torque spring
- malossi yellow clutch springs
- michelin bopper tires
- dual headlight mod
- tun'R rear shock

1989 Zuma (Red Dragon)
- 70cc Hebo bbk
- Doppler air box stock carb


Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:07 pm
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Post Re: Storz 2005 Bws Build
Sucks that the shipping is so expensive. I guess they're trying to keep the adage, "got to pay to play" alive.

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(Unfinished)2005 Zuma 50 W/ Aerox LC motor
Malossi MHR Big Bore 77 LC, Malossi RHQ crank, Roost 86 pipe, 28mm Keihin PWK Carb, Stage6 reverse intake manifold, Custom Subframe, Stage6 Vforce3 reed valve, Polini open air Filter, Malossi 2010 Over Range, Polini 2G clutch, Dr Pulley clutch bell, Malossi yellow contra. Aerox wheels. ProTaper bars. Buzzeti side stand. Many more upgrades to come...

2008 Zuma 50
2012 Zuma 50 (sold)
2006 Metropolitan selling/parting out!
2003 Derbi Red Bullet


Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:44 am
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