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Post Re: 2004 Zuma50 - 1st Scooter COMPLETE REPAINT/REBUILD-Pls H
Planning on a new carburetor as well.

I can find the single throttle sleeve from Motion Pro
But it's hard to find this stuff in Canada.

Is there another cable I can look for besides the Motion Pro Throttle Cable 07-0857?
Is there something equivalent?

Any help is appreciated!

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Post Re: 2004 Zuma50 - 1st Scooter COMPLETE REPAINT/REBUILD-Pls H
Show your sources many 17.5 and 19mm are ele enrichment (the style of carb doesn't have a trade choke instead it adds extra fuel)

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Post Re: 2004 Zuma50 - 1st Scooter COMPLETE REPAINT/REBUILD-Pls H
jmkjr72 wrote:
Show your sources many 17.5 and 19mm are ele enrichment (the style of carb doesn't have a trade choke instead it adds extra fuel)


From all the reading I've been doing, an aftermarket carburetor would require a single throttle cable mod. I'm not sure if that's certain.

I've been looking at

Naraku PHBG 19mm - From Scooter Tuning
http://scootertuning.ca/en/carburettors/5131-carburetor-naraku-19mm-phbg.html

Naraku PHBG 19mm - From Scooter Tuning
http://scootertuning.ca/en/carburettors/5130-carburetor-naraku-175mm-phbg.html

Carburettor Stage6 Dellorto RACING Black Edition MKII 19mm - Scooter Tuning
http://scootertuning.ca/en/carburettors/5004-carburettor-stage6-dellorto-racing-black-edition-mkii-19mm.html
Not really considering this one after you've told me about the higher gas consumption part.

Motion Pro Nylon Throttle Grip Sleeves - 01-0087
https://fortnine.ca/en/motion-pro-nylon-throttle-grip-sleeves-01-0087
I can find the sleeve. But no throttle cable to be found. And thus the reason I wanted to ask if there is another brand or equivalent to this?

I am open to other brands like Polini, Tunr, Motoforce, Doca Racing. They sell them on their site and it's been convenient for me to order them online.
I do not plan on racing this thing, I am looking to keep up or be faster than traffic.

Thank you~

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Post Re: 2004 Zuma50 - 1st Scooter COMPLETE REPAINT/REBUILD-Pls H
Well looks like that is what most places are deciding to sock now

https://www.drowsports.com/zuma-50cc-th ... arburetor/

https://www.drowsports.com/dellorto-phb ... ric-choke/

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2008 stella olive custom ported 177 cc kit dechromed ford tear drop tail light alive and breathing and awaiting cosmtic surgery thanks to an trump cager
1985 elite 150 how long can i leave it stock


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Post Re: 2004 Zuma50 - 1st Scooter COMPLETE REPAINT/REBUILD-Pls H
jmkjr72 wrote:


Thank you~ I may just get that throttle cable once I'm ready for my carburetor shopping list.

Why would you prefer that carburetor? I'm just curious?
I'm not familiar with carburetors. I presented a few in my previous post, are they not good?

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Post Re: 2004 Zuma50 - 1st Scooter COMPLETE REPAINT/REBUILD-Pls H
You had mentioned the ele choke. Plus all the ones you posted are clones of the del the del is the original

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2008 stella olive custom ported 177 cc kit dechromed ford tear drop tail light alive and breathing and awaiting cosmtic surgery thanks to an trump cager
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Post Re: 2004 Zuma50 - 1st Scooter COMPLETE REPAINT/REBUILD-Pls H
jmkjr72 wrote:
You had mentioned the ele choke. Plus all the ones you posted are clones of the del the del is the original


I don't necessarily need an electric choke. I'm just too new to understand everything. And i apologize if I am causing any frustration.
I've learned that the choke is mainly for airflow when starting up. When the air condition is too cold for the engine to start, the choke must be closed/pulled in order to have less air flow and have the engine start. That's what I kind of learned, correct me if I'm wrong.

So all this time, I've been looking at clones? I guess those clones are nothing good compared to the original?

I ask these questions not only because I don't understand, it's because I see others using various types of carburetor, and I'd also like to save myself a trip of driving down 100km to the states to pick up these parts at a PO box, or pay a heavy shipping fee.

The cost in Canada compared to the states are very different. Over here, we pay an arm and a leg for any shipping. And brokerage fees from the US packages usually range from $25-40 USD if it's delivered by USPS/UPS.

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Post Re: 2004 Zuma50 - 1st Scooter COMPLETE REPAINT/REBUILD-Pls H
First off these carbs do not have a choke
A choke restricts air flow
The carbs on these bikes have an enrichment circut they add extra fuel
They add extra fuel not restrict air flow

I myself am not a fan of clones they may be just fine but I can't speak from any experience of dealing with any of them
I will say this what ever carb you get get the exact same brand of jets if you want the naraku carb get naraku jets not stage 6 or del

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2008 stella olive custom ported 177 cc kit dechromed ford tear drop tail light alive and breathing and awaiting cosmtic surgery thanks to an trump cager
1985 elite 150 how long can i leave it stock


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Post Re: 2004 Zuma50 - 1st Scooter COMPLETE REPAINT/REBUILD-Pls H
Thank you for explaining the choke. Went digging a little more from previous thread you reponded. Gives me more of an idea of how everything works.
http://zumaforums.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20164

I will be looking for all the jets at the same time so I'll go with more of a common brand that is more available with all the jets.

Is there a jet size you would recommend me to start with?
I plan on replacing the muffler, carburetor, and the 70cc kit at the same time.

Most Probable
Tecnigas Next-R Muffler
Naraku 70cc Kit
Something 19mm Carburetor with Manual choke and Manual choke cable.

Which size you would recommend I start from?
Thanks again~

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Post Re: 2004 Zuma50 - 1st Scooter COMPLETE REPAINT/REBUILD-Pls H
I've been riding this thing almost daily. The temperature is as low as 11 degrees celsius in the morning, but when I ride home it's usually around 20 degrees celsius.
I wanted to ride as much as I could before winter hits, then I'll tear down the bike and start hacking away with everything else.

I like love and hate the Givi Box. I hate it that it's heavy and I can't just treat it as a lunch box (Eg. carry it with the handle and prep my lunch on it and then throw it right back on), and the thing looks pretty darn ugly.
I love it that it gives me extra space and the reflector is big enough to let people know I'm around.

Since I really hate how deteriorated it looks, but I also want to use it.

I decided to work on it.

I tore things apart.
The emblem was half tearing off and faded as hell.
I cleaned it up, degreased all the old adhesion, painted it, adhesion promoter before I used automotive double sided tape.
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Took the lens off and polished everything. And then stuck it back together.
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Wet sand with a Used/Dull 1200 grit and then degreased, then plastic bond primer, then painted 5 coats.
After that. I re-assembled and looks like a beauty.

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Post Re: 2004 Zuma50 - 1st Scooter COMPLETE REPAINT/REBUILD
Cool, thanks for posting pictures. I am in Vancouver, British Columbia myself. I just bought the same year of Zuma about a month ago myself. I have a list of all the parts that are on their way right now in the newbie say hello section if you want to see. I went with the mkll race cylinder and stage 6 19mm carb because it had the right ports for the vacuum and oil feed. I have been ordering from http://scootertuning.ca/en/ . The parts come from Quebec but express shipping is completely free for orders over $200. I bought a stage 6 single cable throttle from them for $50

I am planning on painting my zuma with white rubber spray paint that peels off but I was also wondering if those copper tint kits from chrome rims or polished metal look good on spray paint chrome. A bike done in copper would look great! Eventually I want to do it in a faded blue and white camo.


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Post Re: 2004 Zuma50 - 1st Scooter COMPLETE REPAINT/REBUILD
So I'm slowly doing my build right now.
Since I plan on installing the big bore kit, I would have tune my carbs... and if I plan to get an exhaust... i would have to tune again.. and getting a carb would make me get jets and single throttle and all that fun fun stuff... List goes on.. But I only want to tune once.

Long story short.
Othered an Oxford Balaclava for $10 CAD at Fortnine.
A Motion Pro single throttle sleeve for the future conversion. Also from Fortnine.
Lastly, gloves.. but a little too late since our mournings drop down to 7 degrees celsius at the moment.

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Post Re: 2004 Zuma50 - 1st Scooter COMPLETE REPAINT/REBUILD
Since I plan on using the Givi box, it's not always going to be on it.

I finally brought the tray from home to work and worked on it.

Some 1200 grit sand paper.
De-conditioner.
Some good scuff pad with we sand.
Plastic paint promoter 2 coats.
5 coats of matte black plastic paint.

And here it is~ After letting it settled for the night, ready to mount on~

BEFORE
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Post Re: 2004 Zuma50 - 1st Scooter COMPLETE REPAINT/REBUILD
Snowmobile gloves or wet weather motorcycle 3M gloves are great in the cold. Dealerships are expensive.


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Post Re: 2004 Zuma50 - 1st Scooter COMPLETE REPAINT/REBUILD
Get the Stage6 black racing 19-21mm carb.
A good starting point is 40 on the pilot, 90 on the main jet and the needle in the middle position.
If it's in the budget get an overrange, everything else is dookie compared to an overrange.

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