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 New Scooter Buyer FAQ by OldGuy 
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What Is an acceptable range of Mileagle of a Used scooter. In terms of purchase.
What is the life expectancy of a Zuma?

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Post Re: New Scooter Buyer FAQ by OldGuy
Expect to have to do a top-end rebuild at ~10,000 to 12,000 miles. Parts cost = ~$200.00. My Vino (same drive train as the Zuma) has 18,000+ miles on it.

These figures assume a stock scooter. Any modifications (other than derestricting the stock exhaust) may reduce the life expectancy greatly.

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Post Re: New Scooter Buyer FAQ by OldGuy
While I bought my Zuma on Craigslist*, I'd rather pay $100 more for a scooter not to have to descend to that level in my business dealings. If I go to a dealer, I want him to be listening to me rather than babbling sales pitches, as you say - not to push my hot buttons, for heaven's sake, but to use his expertise to help me make the right choice. After that he'll have earned my support as a customer when I need other stuff, as we invariably do.

In other words, business is based on relationships and trust, even when negotiating the price. I've never found it necessary to abandon all class when selling or buying anything. And I won't buy anything from a salesman who acts like a car salesman. Amateur psychological ploys like the ones mentioned in this thread are way too base for someone with an IQ over 80.

Plus I never buy extended warranties. Insurance is only for things you can't afford to pay.

* My first stop was the Vespa dealer at the end of our street, but $4500 for a scooter is way more than I wanted to spend; no stupid haggling bullshirt with a pile of $1 bills would have made any difference. So I did the research, considering everything from Frodgniq Chinese scooters to vintage Vespas, and found that everyone was really enthusiastic about their Zumas, that there were parts available, and that the model was made well. It turned out to be the right choice.

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Post Re: New Scooter Buyer FAQ by OldGuy
Nick Batzdorf wrote:
While I bought my Zuma on Craigslist*, I'd rather pay $100 more for a scooter not to have to descend to that level in my business dealings. If I go to a dealer, I want him to be listening to me rather than babbling sales pitches, as you say - not to push my hot buttons, for heaven's sake, but to use his expertise to help me make the right choice. After that he'll have earned my support as a customer when I need other stuff, as we invariably do.

In other words, business is based on relationships and trust, even when negotiating the price. I've never found it necessary to abandon all class when selling or buying anything. And I won't buy anything from a salesman who acts like a car salesman. Amateur psychological ploys like the ones mentioned in this thread are way too base for someone with an IQ over 80.

Plus I never buy extended warranties. Insurance is only for things you can't afford to pay.

* My first stop was the Vespa dealer at the end of our street, but $4500 for a scooter is way more than I wanted to spend; no stupid haggling bullshirt with a pile of $1 bills would have made any difference. So I did the research, considering everything from Frodgniq Chinese scooters to vintage Vespas, and found that everyone was really enthusiastic about their Zumas, that there were parts available, and that the model was made well. It turned out to be the right choice.


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Post Re: New Scooter Buyer FAQ by OldGuy
Newbie here with a 02 Zuma. I have been in the retail sales business, new and used cars, for several years and i hate it when a customer wants to talk me down on my no haggle price for a car. when i bought my Zuma off the showroom floor, it was easy, i saw it asked how much and wrote a check. Now after 4500 miles, a Leo Vince pipe, springs, rollers, new belt, cut off tail, i think i want one of the ne 125cc Zumas.


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I know this is an old thread, but I'd thought I'd share how I got mine. We have 5 different dealers in our area.
I researched the lowest prices they were selling for in all "big" cities around us like Indy, Louisville, St louis and Chicago, even called a couple to see what the otd price was, most gave me a price of $2100 plus or minus $100 Lowest was $2000 highest was $2400, I figured if 2 of them gave me a price of $2000 in these big cities, that they were either selling alot of them, or just wanting to get rid of the 09's. So, I called my five local dealers and gave them a price of $2000 cash otd and I would pick it up today, most said they couldn't do and they tried "negotiating" more, I gave them my number and told them "well, if you wanna sell one today, call me back." Only 2 of them called me back, saying the lowest they could go was $2200, figuring a few days had gone by and the prospect of getting a scooter for 2 grand was diminishing for me, called the 2 back and offered $2100, one said "no" and the other said, what time you wanna pick it up! So I got mine for $2100 otd, is that a good price? IDK? But, I am happy with that price. Something else to expect is how are these people going to service me "after" the sale, I feel like buying from a reputable dealer with a strong service department is also very important, just my 2cents.

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Post Re: New Scooter Buyer FAQ by OldGuy
Thank you. That tutorial kicked some major a$$. :q:


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Post Re: New Scooter Buyer FAQ by OldGuy
I love customers who think they know how to buy stuff... They are usually the easyest to close and the most profitable aswell. Later they will brag about the great deal they got and I usually brag to the other sales people on the big commission I got. OG has some valid points but I promis you a great sales person will do such a good job demoing and knowing his product that you'll be begging him to pay more.. Truly the best way is to know what you want and call several dealerships and get quotes. Books will all tell you not to tell the sales person the other quotes but I promis you that if you do they will always go cheeper then the last guy... Save your last call for the dealer you really want to buy from. After you tell him your lowest quote ask what they are willing to do. I bet it's cheeper. They may just try to match it but this is where you say '' I may as well go to the other dealer then'' he will come down. After he does offer less... He will come back with a number between his first quote and you offer. Now you have him. Ps I'm a true sales person the phone customer is always the lowest commission because we have to drop our shorts to get ya in the door. Good luck guys!

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Post Re: New Scooter Buyer FAQ by OldGuy
Sales persons become highly intelligent people as they gain experience. They meet hundreds of customers daily and hence they automatically learn how to handle each customer. It is the same here also. I like all your observations.


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